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		<title>By: Diane Driscoll</title>
		<link>http://www.metabolism.com/2009/12/10/dangerous-alternatives-desiccated-armour-thyroid#comment-13099</link>
		<dc:creator>Diane Driscoll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I to cannot take synthyroid.  I was on it for years and was never right. I order Efra from canada and feel much better on it. You have to take more of the efra than old armour.  The dose is lower on the efra  God bless,  Diane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I to cannot take synthyroid.  I was on it for years and was never right. I order Efra from canada and feel much better on it. You have to take more of the efra than old armour.  The dose is lower on the efra  God bless,  Diane</p>
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		<title>By: lisa truitt</title>
		<link>http://www.metabolism.com/2009/12/10/dangerous-alternatives-desiccated-armour-thyroid#comment-11827</link>
		<dc:creator>lisa truitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2011 21:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re the good doctors comments, I&#039;m sorry but you don&#039;t have any credibility with me. You may be a caring person but the industry that you work in is not. It is all about the money. All it cares about is the money and medications that are lamentable and what makes the most money.  Everything is controlled by big pharmacy and its profits. The doctors just work for them and are brainwashed and only do as they are told. They can&#039;t do clinical medicine and can&#039;t think their way out of a paper bag or won&#039;t for fear of losing their high paying cushy jobs.  Ones that are different than that are rare to come by and not everyone can afford them.  So you do what you have to do and you go the route where you at least have a chance.  I don&#039;t buy all the fear tactics about foreign drugs anyway as I had grandparents that lived near the border of Mexico and they went across the border and got their meds over the counter for decades. They are now in their nineties and doing fine. I think in the states we should be able to buy meds that way but the powers that be have to much to gain by keeping it as it is.  To me, having you tell me how dangerous it is to get meds outside of the pharmaceutical industrial complex controlled drug dealer system which is the united states medical industry is a joke. Having everyone believe that you or your colleagues are the only safe source of medicines or of medical treatment serves your interests because if people could go elsewhere your business would suffer.  You personally may care about people and warn them out of concern, but I don&#039;t believe that this is true or that the industry that you are a pawn of believes it is true. They just need you good hearted duped that they can brainwash to believe this stuff so you can brainwash the public to ensure their profits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re the good doctors comments, I&#8217;m sorry but you don&#8217;t have any credibility with me. You may be a caring person but the industry that you work in is not. It is all about the money. All it cares about is the money and medications that are lamentable and what makes the most money.  Everything is controlled by big pharmacy and its profits. The doctors just work for them and are brainwashed and only do as they are told. They can&#8217;t do clinical medicine and can&#8217;t think their way out of a paper bag or won&#8217;t for fear of losing their high paying cushy jobs.  Ones that are different than that are rare to come by and not everyone can afford them.  So you do what you have to do and you go the route where you at least have a chance.  I don&#8217;t buy all the fear tactics about foreign drugs anyway as I had grandparents that lived near the border of Mexico and they went across the border and got their meds over the counter for decades. They are now in their nineties and doing fine. I think in the states we should be able to buy meds that way but the powers that be have to much to gain by keeping it as it is.  To me, having you tell me how dangerous it is to get meds outside of the pharmaceutical industrial complex controlled drug dealer system which is the united states medical industry is a joke. Having everyone believe that you or your colleagues are the only safe source of medicines or of medical treatment serves your interests because if people could go elsewhere your business would suffer.  You personally may care about people and warn them out of concern, but I don&#8217;t believe that this is true or that the industry that you are a pawn of believes it is true. They just need you good hearted duped that they can brainwash to believe this stuff so you can brainwash the public to ensure their profits.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrienne</title>
		<link>http://www.metabolism.com/2009/12/10/dangerous-alternatives-desiccated-armour-thyroid#comment-11687</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 01:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Martin&#039;s post, I have ordered Thyroid-s and Thiroyd in the small packs via Amazon and had a wonderful experience.  The seller is incredibly proactive in his communication and the NDT arrived well-packaged in discreet packaging.  My only gripe is that they only sell it in small quantities, so I probably will look for it elsewhere next time.  

In regard to the efficacy of Thyroid-S, I am incredibly pleased with it!  For some reason, my body responds really well to it, and it feels so much cleaner and smoother to me than the other thyroid therapies I have tried.  The energy doesn&#039;t hit me all at once to the point that I feel over-caffeinated like I have felt on other meds, instead it is just a nice slow, steady energy.  Overall, I am incredibly pleased, and at first I, too, was worried that it might not be as reputable, but not anymore.  I have tried Synthroid (of course, boooo ),  Erfa, Acella, Compounded from a local pharmacy, Thiroyd, and Thyroid-s.  So far, Thyroid-s is what my body responds best to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Martin&#8217;s post, I have ordered Thyroid-s and Thiroyd in the small packs via Amazon and had a wonderful experience.  The seller is incredibly proactive in his communication and the NDT arrived well-packaged in discreet packaging.  My only gripe is that they only sell it in small quantities, so I probably will look for it elsewhere next time.  </p>
<p>In regard to the efficacy of Thyroid-S, I am incredibly pleased with it!  For some reason, my body responds really well to it, and it feels so much cleaner and smoother to me than the other thyroid therapies I have tried.  The energy doesn&#8217;t hit me all at once to the point that I feel over-caffeinated like I have felt on other meds, instead it is just a nice slow, steady energy.  Overall, I am incredibly pleased, and at first I, too, was worried that it might not be as reputable, but not anymore.  I have tried Synthroid (of course, boooo ),  Erfa, Acella, Compounded from a local pharmacy, Thiroyd, and Thyroid-s.  So far, Thyroid-s is what my body responds best to.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.metabolism.com/2009/12/10/dangerous-alternatives-desiccated-armour-thyroid#comment-10445</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 04:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, Thyroid-S and Thiroyd are available on Amazon in small packs and without a prescription.  I have ordered but not received it yet.  Customer service seems quite good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, Thyroid-S and Thiroyd are available on Amazon in small packs and without a prescription.  I have ordered but not received it yet.  Customer service seems quite good.</p>
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		<title>By: Nina</title>
		<link>http://www.metabolism.com/2009/12/10/dangerous-alternatives-desiccated-armour-thyroid#comment-10280</link>
		<dc:creator>Nina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 23:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,
Like many of you I suffered for years. I diagnosed myself a long time ago but it was years after that until I found a doc willing to let me try dessicated thyroid meds. Everytime I was tested before that they told me well you are in the low end of the normal range but you&#039;re still normal. &quot;It&#039;s probably just the birth control pills your on....try this diet____.....even&#039;when was the last time you ate McDonalds?&#039;&quot; Seriously some docs just dont get it. After starting on Armour at 1 grain a day I was eventually raised to 2. The weight gain stopped and some more symptoms cleared but I still wasn&#039;t 100%. Doc refused to raise it. Grrrr. So then I ended up moving to the Midlle East for work and brought what Armour I could with me. It ran out and was forced to take Levothyroxine because dessicated thyroid isn&#039;t available any where in the Middle East. Probably because it&#039;s most often made from pig thyroid. Hmmmm.  Ok so I&#039;m in the Middle East, can&#039;t find Armour or anything like it, on Levothyroxine for 8 months, high blood sugar, high cholesterol, feel like crap, and have put on 15Kg. Now what? I took matters into my own hands. I ordered Thyroid-S after much research from medipharmica. It got here just fine. I ditched the leveothyroxine. I started back on a couple grains and slowly upped it. I found myself an amazing doc in Amsterdam who runs my labs for me as needed via sending samples by FedEx. Once a year I go check in with him for a physical exam and do any more labs that are needed. Dr. Dirk VanLith is awesome!!! I&#039;m now on 8 grains. Yes, that much can be normal. My TSH is now suppressed. I am actually losing weight now while eating NORMAL. My blood sugar and cholesterol are normal and many syptoms are gone. Some remain from years of no treatment like arthritis in my 20&#039;s people. As my weight comes back down my Doc and I have planned to decrease my med amount. It will have to be done slowly to make sure I dont relapse and start gaining, but the basic idea is as I&#039;m getting smaller eventually I&#039;ll start to feel hyper, then it&#039;s time to go down a bit, then repeat. If you look at the stopthyroidmadness site they have all the dessicated thyroid pill ingredients listed. Thyroid-S is just like Armour only more like the old formula. If you are stuck on chemical meds and thinking about switching...DO IT! Don&#039;t wait. I speak from experience having been forced to go from natural to synthetic and back again. Any dessicated thyroid med including Thyroid-S is better then the chemical make you wanna die Levo, Sunthroid crap. I hope this helps someone out there understand the situation better. Take care. Carpe Diem-Nina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,<br />
Like many of you I suffered for years. I diagnosed myself a long time ago but it was years after that until I found a doc willing to let me try dessicated thyroid meds. Everytime I was tested before that they told me well you are in the low end of the normal range but you&#8217;re still normal. &#8220;It&#8217;s probably just the birth control pills your on&#8230;.try this diet____&#8230;..even&#8217;when was the last time you ate McDonalds?&#8217;&#8221; Seriously some docs just dont get it. After starting on Armour at 1 grain a day I was eventually raised to 2. The weight gain stopped and some more symptoms cleared but I still wasn&#8217;t 100%. Doc refused to raise it. Grrrr. So then I ended up moving to the Midlle East for work and brought what Armour I could with me. It ran out and was forced to take Levothyroxine because dessicated thyroid isn&#8217;t available any where in the Middle East. Probably because it&#8217;s most often made from pig thyroid. Hmmmm.  Ok so I&#8217;m in the Middle East, can&#8217;t find Armour or anything like it, on Levothyroxine for 8 months, high blood sugar, high cholesterol, feel like crap, and have put on 15Kg. Now what? I took matters into my own hands. I ordered Thyroid-S after much research from medipharmica. It got here just fine. I ditched the leveothyroxine. I started back on a couple grains and slowly upped it. I found myself an amazing doc in Amsterdam who runs my labs for me as needed via sending samples by FedEx. Once a year I go check in with him for a physical exam and do any more labs that are needed. Dr. Dirk VanLith is awesome!!! I&#8217;m now on 8 grains. Yes, that much can be normal. My TSH is now suppressed. I am actually losing weight now while eating NORMAL. My blood sugar and cholesterol are normal and many syptoms are gone. Some remain from years of no treatment like arthritis in my 20&#8242;s people. As my weight comes back down my Doc and I have planned to decrease my med amount. It will have to be done slowly to make sure I dont relapse and start gaining, but the basic idea is as I&#8217;m getting smaller eventually I&#8217;ll start to feel hyper, then it&#8217;s time to go down a bit, then repeat. If you look at the stopthyroidmadness site they have all the dessicated thyroid pill ingredients listed. Thyroid-S is just like Armour only more like the old formula. If you are stuck on chemical meds and thinking about switching&#8230;DO IT! Don&#8217;t wait. I speak from experience having been forced to go from natural to synthetic and back again. Any dessicated thyroid med including Thyroid-S is better then the chemical make you wanna die Levo, Sunthroid crap. I hope this helps someone out there understand the situation better. Take care. Carpe Diem-Nina</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.metabolism.com/2009/12/10/dangerous-alternatives-desiccated-armour-thyroid#comment-9674</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Sep 2011 10:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes I agree, I cannot find it in any of the local pharmacies. And even worse, the local pharmacies are not able to special order it for me.  By the way, thanks for the info, I called the number 66-27127157 you provided, and it is not a valid number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I agree, I cannot find it in any of the local pharmacies. And even worse, the local pharmacies are not able to special order it for me.  By the way, thanks for the info, I called the number 66-27127157 you provided, and it is not a valid number.</p>
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		<title>By: suthee</title>
		<link>http://www.metabolism.com/2009/12/10/dangerous-alternatives-desiccated-armour-thyroid#comment-9657</link>
		<dc:creator>suthee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Sep 2011 12:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am in Thailand and taking Thyroid S. And believe me, it is so difficult to get it even I am Thai.
I try so hard to get it. And it is a lot better than levothyroxine.

If you are in Thailand, you can get it at CDS( central drug store)  66-27127157
Locate at Central Plaza, Chidlom,  1st floor.  Good luck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in Thailand and taking Thyroid S. And believe me, it is so difficult to get it even I am Thai.<br />
I try so hard to get it. And it is a lot better than levothyroxine.</p>
<p>If you are in Thailand, you can get it at CDS( central drug store)  66-27127157<br />
Locate at Central Plaza, Chidlom,  1st floor.  Good luck</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.metabolism.com/2009/12/10/dangerous-alternatives-desiccated-armour-thyroid#comment-9348</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 21:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi All,  I live in Thailand and I have many hypo symptoms, but just learning about it now.  Hard to believe all the trouble to get this medication.  I will see what I can buy at the local pharmacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi All,  I live in Thailand and I have many hypo symptoms, but just learning about it now.  Hard to believe all the trouble to get this medication.  I will see what I can buy at the local pharmacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
		<link>http://www.metabolism.com/2009/12/10/dangerous-alternatives-desiccated-armour-thyroid#comment-9292</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 21:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize the initial post was made quit some time ago, but incase someone else pops in for research I&#039;d also like to comment.

Every since I was a youngster growing up in the midwest, the family DR was always concerned about my Thyroid, as it always felt somewhat swollen to him. He would test my levels and they would always be &quot;within range&quot;. 
I was an involved kid - played softball, volleyball, swimming, playing, bike rides, worked farms during the summer, had part time jobs involving lots of walking and climbing stairs. I also had a fairly low sugar/bland diet (incl very little salt).  Yet, I was a fat kid. I never could run as I would tire out way too fast.

I&#039;ve struggled with depression, fatigue, &quot;throat&quot; problems, weight problems, etc etc almost my entire life! I really believe that the GP really wanted to help, but all the tests would come back &#039;normal&#039;. Now add in an &quot;adult&quot; diet of fast food, frozen foods, preservatives, high-fructose corn syrup, chemically treated livestock, etc etc and up goes everything - weight, bp, depression, hair loss, etc etc.  In my mid 30&#039;s I was so anemic that I had to have 2 blood transfussions within a year before switching me to iron injections. Also, to offset depression I had been off and on again with anti-depressants. 

Fast forward to new GP in new area, gave history, he did tests and determined I was &#039;borderlline hypo&#039;. I asked for Armour (not knowing it was reformulated) as I have strived to follow a healthier lifestyle. GP put me on Synthroid/generic. I wasnt too impressed since I knew it was T4 specific, but I was desperate to feel better. Within a week my hair was falling out (again), headaches, sore throat and I felt WORSE. 

I tried a test of my own and had my hubby give a bovine thyroid treatment from the healthfood store, the Synthroid, iodoral, and a placebo. Of course these were spread out over several months to allow for detox time.  The placebo did better than Synthroid but not as well as the bovine thyroid. The Iodoral ranked better than all of them - but it&#039;s still a struggle.

I tried to tell my GP, and although he appeared to be listening he also had a bit of &#039;I&#039;m the Dr and have the medical training&#039; attitude. So, I am hesitant to even bother looking for another since my experience over the years have been pretty much the same attitude. 

I have ordered from the Thialand supplier. Like so many others, I have opted to risk the non-FDA approved treatment because my call for help has gone unheard for far too many years. The FDA initially started out to improve quality and conditions and to protect us from the snake-oil salesmen, but over the years it has compromised itself.  Pharm companies spend a lot of money in research, perks to those who promote their latest &#039;miracle drug&#039; often backed up by skewed reports, etc etc. And now the FDA and Govt want the &quot;natural med Drs&#039; regulated, removing their ability to write prescriptions for non-FDA vitamin/supplements/therapies, etc. including IV vitamin therapies. 

Just who is the &#039;snake oil salesmen&#039; ?

Overall the US is a good place to live, but we are not always superior to other countries when it comes to health issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize the initial post was made quit some time ago, but incase someone else pops in for research I&#8217;d also like to comment.</p>
<p>Every since I was a youngster growing up in the midwest, the family DR was always concerned about my Thyroid, as it always felt somewhat swollen to him. He would test my levels and they would always be &#8220;within range&#8221;.<br />
I was an involved kid &#8211; played softball, volleyball, swimming, playing, bike rides, worked farms during the summer, had part time jobs involving lots of walking and climbing stairs. I also had a fairly low sugar/bland diet (incl very little salt).  Yet, I was a fat kid. I never could run as I would tire out way too fast.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve struggled with depression, fatigue, &#8220;throat&#8221; problems, weight problems, etc etc almost my entire life! I really believe that the GP really wanted to help, but all the tests would come back &#8216;normal&#8217;. Now add in an &#8220;adult&#8221; diet of fast food, frozen foods, preservatives, high-fructose corn syrup, chemically treated livestock, etc etc and up goes everything &#8211; weight, bp, depression, hair loss, etc etc.  In my mid 30&#8242;s I was so anemic that I had to have 2 blood transfussions within a year before switching me to iron injections. Also, to offset depression I had been off and on again with anti-depressants. </p>
<p>Fast forward to new GP in new area, gave history, he did tests and determined I was &#8216;borderlline hypo&#8217;. I asked for Armour (not knowing it was reformulated) as I have strived to follow a healthier lifestyle. GP put me on Synthroid/generic. I wasnt too impressed since I knew it was T4 specific, but I was desperate to feel better. Within a week my hair was falling out (again), headaches, sore throat and I felt WORSE. </p>
<p>I tried a test of my own and had my hubby give a bovine thyroid treatment from the healthfood store, the Synthroid, iodoral, and a placebo. Of course these were spread out over several months to allow for detox time.  The placebo did better than Synthroid but not as well as the bovine thyroid. The Iodoral ranked better than all of them &#8211; but it&#8217;s still a struggle.</p>
<p>I tried to tell my GP, and although he appeared to be listening he also had a bit of &#8216;I&#8217;m the Dr and have the medical training&#8217; attitude. So, I am hesitant to even bother looking for another since my experience over the years have been pretty much the same attitude. </p>
<p>I have ordered from the Thialand supplier. Like so many others, I have opted to risk the non-FDA approved treatment because my call for help has gone unheard for far too many years. The FDA initially started out to improve quality and conditions and to protect us from the snake-oil salesmen, but over the years it has compromised itself.  Pharm companies spend a lot of money in research, perks to those who promote their latest &#8216;miracle drug&#8217; often backed up by skewed reports, etc etc. And now the FDA and Govt want the &#8220;natural med Drs&#8217; regulated, removing their ability to write prescriptions for non-FDA vitamin/supplements/therapies, etc. including IV vitamin therapies. </p>
<p>Just who is the &#8216;snake oil salesmen&#8217; ?</p>
<p>Overall the US is a good place to live, but we are not always superior to other countries when it comes to health issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Diana</title>
		<link>http://www.metabolism.com/2009/12/10/dangerous-alternatives-desiccated-armour-thyroid#comment-9216</link>
		<dc:creator>Diana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 17:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone say how long Thyroid S from Thailand lasts if placed in the freezer? I can&#039;t believe the great prices, but worried about getting 500 pills at once.  I too was on fake thyroid for 20 or so years and felt AWFUL. My body temp hovered between 96 and 97.8, and only reached 98.6 ONCE a day - around 9 p.m. I had severe fibro, fatigue, inability to exercise, a sleep disorder, not much hair or eyebrows. I take enough Armour to suppress TSH to zero, and that is the ONLY PLACE I feel normal!  If I let my dosage fall below 2.5 grains, I start feeling awful and I gain 1 full pound a day eating exactly the same diet. The photos taken of me on TSH-measured fake meds and on too little Armour are very dramatic compared to how I look now. It actually causes me physical pain when I talk to some poor soul who is on fake thyroid and can&#039;t get their doctor to listen to the information I provide to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone say how long Thyroid S from Thailand lasts if placed in the freezer? I can&#8217;t believe the great prices, but worried about getting 500 pills at once.  I too was on fake thyroid for 20 or so years and felt AWFUL. My body temp hovered between 96 and 97.8, and only reached 98.6 ONCE a day &#8211; around 9 p.m. I had severe fibro, fatigue, inability to exercise, a sleep disorder, not much hair or eyebrows. I take enough Armour to suppress TSH to zero, and that is the ONLY PLACE I feel normal!  If I let my dosage fall below 2.5 grains, I start feeling awful and I gain 1 full pound a day eating exactly the same diet. The photos taken of me on TSH-measured fake meds and on too little Armour are very dramatic compared to how I look now. It actually causes me physical pain when I talk to some poor soul who is on fake thyroid and can&#8217;t get their doctor to listen to the information I provide to them.</p>
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