Yesterday a patient of mine asked if I was aware of a source of desiccated thyroid produced in Thailand. I was immediately skeptical for a few reasons. Many countries do not have an agency that provides quality control for medications. Whatever the drawbacks to the FDA, it is reassuring to know that for the most part, they have been able to protect citizens in the US from dangerous or defective medications. Many other countries provide similar protection to their population. Unfortunately there are places in the world where potentially dangerous medication is still available without a prescription. Quality control of medication production is also lacking.
My concern is that in some parts of the world, possibly Thailand for example, that a medication like Armour could be made but no qualified individual or agency is available to certify its ingredients or standardization.
Today a well meaning member forwarded their comments on a product called Thyroid S produced in Thailand, which is a supposed substitute for Armour thyroid and is available without a prescription. My reaction is that until we can be certain of the formulation of a medication that the best thing to do is to avoid using it. Perhaps in time someone will be able to provide the necessary information required to evaluate this product but as editor-in-chief of this website I will try to guard our readers against becoming victims of scams and exploitation.
I welcome any information others may have on solid information about Thyroid S or similar compounds being marketed as Armour Thyroid substitutes.
What we know is here (scroll down to find Thyroid-S): http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/armour-vs-other-brands
I suffered almost to the point of death …for about 9 or 10 months….under the re-formulated Armour….without my knowledge of “what the problem even was?”..
.until one day I got a letter from my regular mail-order pharmacy, telling me they could “no longer supply my Rx for Armour Thyroid”.
So I went online, to see if I could obtain it elsewhere.
THAT is when I eventually got on the webpage: “www.stopthethyroidmadness.com
There, I read a huge wealth of info on what was going on, and discovered to my dismay, that there were literally THOUSANDS of other folks, suffering with the same situation as me.
What made matters even worse was the re-formulation of Armour
which made it LOOSE ITS RIGHTS of being “grandfathered in” as GRAS.(generally recognized as safe).
Also the re-formulation was not helping to ameliorate the hypo-thyroid symptoms…something was wrong with it.
They used to say: “if it aint broke…dont fix it”…. but the suspicion is that significant money was exchanged “under the table’ to cause the thousands of hypo-thyroid sufferers to be forced to take the synthetic.
an obvious clue …was the Abbot Co.’s REPORTED record 157 MILLION dollar additional extreme profit …over ONLY the last fiscal quarter (3 months)…..which probably was for many prescriptions of the synthetic thyroid ….to replace the “no-longer-available Armour natural dessicated thyroid.
So I went online to seek my available alternatives to Armour.
since there were several, some folks had already tried it, and reported it was sufficient for them….and….Re: Thailand resource…all I can say is …even if it was found at some future date….to not be PERFECT according to USA standards…It is STLL more beneficial to some hypothyroid folks than the synthetic, since its got T 1, T 2,T 3, T4 and calcitonin in it …….from the thyroids of porcine(pig).
Therefore, even if a person wanted a steak dinner because they were hungry,…… even a bowl of oatmeal would suffice, in a pinch.
Likewise, if a person had a severely low thyroid condition, ….even a “relatively” strong medicinal amount ……..would be better than nothing….or even the synthetic,….for those who genetically were either unable, or deficient in the conversion, ….and also needed the T 3 as well as the t 4.
I’ve been using Thyroid S for the last six months with more success than I ever had with Armour thyroid.
Why is there an assumption that the product from Thailand is not as good as the product made by the makers of Armour?
Why would the quality control of a foreign owned company be less than it is here? Are we to assume that people in other countries settle for less than pure drugs?
What would make a company in Thailand less able to make a pharmaeceutical quality drug?
Are we to assume that it’s only the vigilance of the FDA that keeps us from poisoning ourselves?
I listened to the medical establishment once and wound up swallowing 3 nuclear pills to kill of my thyroid. I’ll forego the great wisdom and make my own decisions from here on in.
Terry Alan Wade
All I know is I do horribly on synthetics, and the old Armour was wonderful.
The reformulated Armour was also horrible. My ears blocked up and I felt like I was in a tunnel. So I went wth Nature-Thyroid. Then when that was gone, I went to ERFA in Canada.
My primary care doctor would not give me a script for natural thyroid and put all of her patients ( according to her) all on synthetics. I was ready to order from Thailand myself.
The synthetic product I felt like I was going to die on. I had no clue what the problem was. As soon as I took even 1/2 grain of the old Armour, it was like a light bulb went on inside me… I was alive again..
So if the FDA takes away our natural thyroid product, people like myself will have no choice but to go to another Country that has a natural product. If the doctors here will not give us the needed prescription for it, then we will get the thyroid hormone where we can to ‘survive’.
I have experienced the same symptoms from the loss of Armour to Nature-Throid. My gyneocologist’s assistant recommended I start taking a compounded thyroid medication from Madison Pharmacy in Madison, Wisconsin. I was resistant at first as I thought (so foolishly!) I could obtain a compounded med locally. After numerous dead-end phone calls and having to explain the Amour/Nature Throid “No More Inventory” dilemma to unknowing pharmacists and their assistants…….I contacted the pharmacy above. Not only do I feel and look better but I can actually see the light at the end of the tunnel. This med was compounded specifically for me based on numerous lab results. It works for me and I am so glad to have it….for now. I’m secretly waiting for the ‘other-dessicated-thyroid-powder’-shoe to fall.
Terry Allen Wade, where did you obtained the Thyroid S? I would like to look into that. I ,like alot of other people are going thru the same problem . My body temperture has fallen to 96.2, among other problems that I am experiencing. I feel like I am going to die if I don’t get my medication . I need to find someone or some place that will prescribe a natural product. I would appreciate any information. Thank you.
I did horribly on synthetics for years and years. Once I found out about natural thyroid hormone, I couldn’t find a doctor who would prescribe it! I was told over and over again that it was unreliable, junk, blah, blah, blah. I had to fire several physicians until I finally found a good integrative physician who hates synthetics. When NTH became unavailable I got my hands on some Thyroid-S; this was before I knew about Erfa, the Canadian alternative. I did fine on Thyroid-S until RT3 reared its ugly head again due to severe and prolonged illness (asthma & bronchitis). I am still on T3 only for the time being, but when I have my RT3 cleared up I will be going back to Thyroid-S until it is gone because I did much better on it than on reformulated Armour, which I will never take again. Once I run out of the Thyroid-S I will have my good doctor write a prescription for Erfa, which is similar to the old Armour formulation. If he won’t then I will get Thyroid-S again, because I will NEVER go back to T4 only treatment that I did horribly on for many years. I have done my homework and know how to titrate NTH to even my Hashi’s out – which means I must be totally suppressed, but not hyper. I have had thyroid issues my entire life; none of which were diagnosed as a child and my childhood was miserable – I had multiple (MULTIPLE!) thyroid symptoms, but I have no idea if I was ever tested. I’m sure if I was I was proclaimed normal because doctors, once they found their little magic TSH tests, and the previous tests, lost all powers of observation and became dummies to big Pharma. If you know nothing about a product, don’t slam it. Do YOUR homework. That’s what patients are doing, and quite successfully, I might add. If the medical establishment wishes to ignore an excellent treatment that has stood the test of time, as in NTH, patients WILL take matters into their own hands, as we wish to be well and have lives that are meaningful and not lived in the weariness and brain-fogged state of untreated or undertreated thyroid conditions, because their bloodwork is “normal” which is a setting on a dishwasher and should NEVER be applied to a patient who is in a deteriorating condition, but has “normal” bloodwork! Use your eyes, doctors. Use your ears. Stop putting us on AD’s and really start listening. We are leaving your offices in droves, looking for doctors who will really listen. If they won’t then we WILL educate ourselves, and believe me, some of us know much more than most idiot Endo’s, and until we can find a doctor who can actually think and observe, we will get our own selves well. Educate YOURSELF on Thyroid-S, as apparently you have NOT done so to date. The FDA, which is a total joke and has no real concern for anything save Big Pharmas profits, is NOT the last word on the safety of medications, especially if you look at their dismal track record. It is arrogance on the part of doctors like you who assume the USA has a corner on drug safety. Not so. I found your attitude ignorant.
I would like to add that the real scam is our current medical system that under treats patients and condescends to the sick; telling them there is nothing wrong with their thyroids when their symptoms are screaming textbook thyroid issues. Read a real medical textbook, one that was published before your darling gold standards, which have changed many times, by the way, and when doctors used their powers of observation and their ears and checked a patients cholesterol and temperature and perhaps even BP; all can be affected by a thyroid that is not performing up to par. It is a travesty that patients, instead of being put on NTH and having their adrenal function checked properly, as stated in the brochures of ALL thyroid meds, are undertreated or not treated and put on BP meds, AD’s, cholesterol drugs, the list goes on and on, when they could have their thyroid properly treated and not have to have ANY of that! And yes, you really got me going.
I bet my comments are moderated out. If so, then I will be unsubscribing from your newsletter, and consigning you as yet one more physican who only gets it partway.
Catherine Clark,
I see your point of view, clearly. I only do well on dessicated pigs thyroid and will stop at nothing to ensure a proper quality of life for myself.
However, I am a patient of Gary Pepper and your comments are a bit over the top. Gary worked with me in a proper and scientific manner to get my thyroid condition under control. It took time and the answer for my condition was not immediate. However, like many others, we discovered that an Armour/synthroid combo worked. My well being went from 100% prior to Hashi’s to 10%, then improved as dosing and drugs were tried. I am currently satisfied with my treatment and overall health. While I will never be 100% again due to other health problems, the thyroid issue was solved, due in part to Gary and his willingness to listen to me, my complaints, how I felt and my labs. The very thing you rail against.
I do not use Thyroid-S but have found the Canadian desiccated thyroid Erfa to be an excellent product. It does require a dr’s prescription to get though.
I think that many do use Thyroid-S because it’s available without a prescription and this is usually a course of last resort for those who cannot get their doctors to listen to them concerning their hypothyroidism and the failure of synthetic T4. It’s very sad that so many have to self-treat or go on being sick and only getting sicker with very serious health effects because of the incredible dysfunction of our endocrine treatment worldwide. The fact is that most endocrinologists and mainstream medical practitioners have been bought and paid for by BigPharma and will refuse to treat patients by any other method than the T4 and TSH-only scenario.
I’ve spent much time on many thyroid forums and have heard only good things about Thyroid-S so I think the worries are unfounded about its safety. There have been many, many recalls of synthetic T4 from many manufacturers so it’s hardly a case of T4 being an undeniably safe product.
Where do you get the Thyroid S or Thiroyd–can you order from the internet?
For those of you “sheep” out there…doctors and patients alike…who think the FDA (Food and Drug Association) is out for your benefit…..azand looking out for your safety in “all things”…………….just take a look at the Bisphenol fiasco !!!!
Bisphenol is what has been in ALL YOUR PRECIOUS BABIES’
BOTTLES !!!!
ALMOST ALL THE BABIES IN THE USA HAVE BEEN DRINKING POISZON ANS CANCER CAUSING SUBSTANCES FROM THE BABY BOTTLES THAT THE FDA FAILED TO BRING TO LIGHT…..UNTIL JUST THIS YEAr……
they knew about it for a very long time….follow the money !!!!
and look at the food safety recaLLS…….
HAVE YOU EVER ASKED YOURSELF WHY they recalled meats that were months and even years old??????
could it be to give the time for the meat to be consumed so the manufacturers didn’t have to replace it??or ????
follow the money
have you ever asked yourself WHY so many congresmen and senators, when they reach their term limits and have to quit their “jobs” magically get hired by the big drug compnies, and the FDA, etc??????
FOLLOW THE MONEY !!!!!!!
I hope I never have to go back to synthetics. I tried them all and they were awful and the new formulation of Armour was just as bad. I had all kinds of wasted tests until I searched the internet and found the reformulation of Armour was the problem. I think they changed more than the fillers….that stuff is awful. If people can get thyroid-s I say go for it. The FDA is another useless government bureaucracy that just makes our lives miserable. Their purpose is to keep meds safe and that is all. When they start controlling instead and letting the Pharm Manufacturers lobby them, then that borders on corruption. I get Erfa Thyroid from Canada. I changed docs to get this prescription and it works fine. (had to up the dose slightly) I had no choice, I just can’t live on synthetics….among other things they raised by BP and then they were giving me meds for that….wow was I miserable….side effects all over the place.
The minute I stopped the synthetics….no blood pressure problem…doc swore up and down they didn’t cause it….now have a new doc. You just have to keep looking until you find one that will listen.
I am feeling horrible on levothyroxine for several years now. I am presently in thailand for dental work. Does anybody have a clue as to where to get this thyroid-s. soinds great but so ironic that I am in the counry of manufactur and nobobdy seems so have a clue as to whrer to get it. Thanks
Thailand has some of the best hospitals and medical care in the world . The hospitals there are like 5 star hotels and many Dr.s have studied in Europe and the US. Seems like they know what they are doing. Do we know what the FDA is doing? They have screwed up my life for the past year and almost killed me with their reformulation first of Armour and than of Nature Throid and Westthroid. So if people feel well on Thyroid -S, let them take it.
I was on L’throxine and felt terrible. I started on Thyroid-s from Tailand (under supervision of the great Dr Peatfield, Doctor and Author of The Great Thyroid Scandal and How to Survive it). I feel wonderful. It’s a shame that my GP (s)…. yes I had to change 3 times before I finally realized they are scared of the GMC and unwilling to help with anything other than L’throxine. After seeing Dr Peatfield privately, I was relieved that someone was willing to listen and help. You can find a supplier of Thyroid-s via the website Stop This Thyroid Madness. Mine arrived within 2 weeks or order. We need to be able to have a choice of reliable treatment here in the UK.
Hi, I use thyroid-S as getting private treatment is exspensive in the UK.
the NHS is a sham it only treats you if you are dieing. and uses cemicals that don`t apparantly belong in the human body.so i believe natural is best. i do very well on thyroid-S , so what i say is suck it and see. if you
like me have been given the run around by so called doctors.then treat your self and stay well.
I agree with the person who said YOU need to get informed about the product before knocking it. I personally thought I was near death last year from the reformulation of the Armour Thyroid product. I had to beg and plead with a doctor that would even prescribe it. It took me fighting like crazy to even get a doctor to run the proper tests (NOT the TSH test) that shows all the levels of T1, T2, T3, and T4 before I was finally declared ‘hypo’. Previously I had only had the TSH over and over again and they always said it was within range and I was okay. How can a woman be ‘okay’ when she has gone from wearing a size 8 to a size _18_ within only two years? I was not eating any differently than I had before. I just started gaining weight, falling asleep into an almost coma-like state, forgot what I was doing, had brittle nails, had NO energy and would collapse at the end of the work day and sleep for 4 hours, then wake up to eat some and then fall immediately back to sleep. Even after finally getting the ‘hypo’ diagnosis I was put on the synthroid which is of course T4 only. For four years I continued to suffer and fall asleep at the wheel of my car, literally!!!!! It is a miracle I did not kill myself or hurt others during this time. Even after I convinced and pleaded with the doc to give me the Armour, the dosage was low. I managed to lose some weight but still had to wear a size 14, and I am only five feet tall. I was way overweight for my body build. But he was using the horrible TSH tests and refused to increase the dosage. So I still suffered, although I was doing a _little_ better. Got a different doc who did increase the dosage slightly and I started to feel like a human being again. Still was having hypo symptoms though. Then the reformulation and a downward spiral. I still feel that my health was permanently damaged due to the reformulation and the complete and utter disregard for patient’s lives. Why did the company not tell us what was going on? I also did research and learned thousands were having the same problems as I was. I pounded the pavement trying to find someone to compound the natural thyroid product. My doc was somewhat skeptical but went with it. I started to feel some better but it has taken nearly 9 months+ to get to where I am now. My brain works, I can _think_ again, I don’t fall asleep at the wheel anymore, I have more energy, but still don’t think we have things right. Recently my doc did the TSH again, against my wishes, and told me to reduce back to 90 mg. I told him I was NOT going to do that and go back to feeling like a ‘slug’, that I had fought too long and too hard to get to this point. With MUCH reluctance he said okay, keep on with the 120 mg, which I take in two 60 mg capsules a day. If he gives me grief over this at the next appt. then I will DUMP him and go without a doctor. I am fed up with these people who claim to be ‘doctors’ but they don’t listen and honestly I don’t think they care if you get to feeling well again or not. It is just money to them. If I have to go out and buy a darn farm and buy my own pigs and then butcher them for the thyroid and cook it, then I will do that. At least then I can manage my own health and be free to live a good life. I HAVE to be able to take care of myself and my family as well. I am a caregiver to my father who suffers from Alzheimer’s. I will fight tooth and nail to do what I have to in order to feel well, BE well, and take care of him. I think I would most surely not choose YOU sir to be my personal physician. YOU sir, are just a fear-monger and that is a true shame. GO DO SOME RESEARCH, dude. You most certainly are not acting like a REAL doctor. You can zap this message off your site if you want to, but others will be here later on and you will have to zap their messages too.
I am hypothyroid due to a pituitary tumor diagnosed at age 9. I am now 46. My tumor was removed with radiation and I take prednisone, estradiol, prometrium, and thyroid-s. For the first 30 years I took synthroid only and suffered from hypothyroid symptoms the entire time-weak nails, dry skin, foggy mind/forgetful. I got my endocrinologist to give me armour thyroid which helped, but I feel the dose was too low, leaving me slightly below the normal ranges but I can’t get her to raise the dose, claiming concerns for my heart. (in spite of the fact that research shows no increased risk of heart attack if levels are in the normal range and increased risk of heart problems with hypothyroidism) after problems with armour thyroid arose she put me back on synthroid/cytomel, a low dose which left me with countless hypothyroid symptoms. Even though my free t4 was slightly below normal and free t3 was at the very bottom of the normal range, she refused to raise my dose and I finally took matters into my own hands and ordered Thyroid-s online. I have been on it , 120 mg for 4 months and feel great! My levels were just tested and came back at: free T4 1.2 (.9-1.5) and Total T3 2.1 (.8-2.0)
I’m suffering no hyperthyroid symptoms. She wants to lower my T4-too bad! I’m not going back to: trouble concentrating, falling asleep at 6pm in front of the tv, thinning hair, weak nails, inability to lose weight after sticking to Weight Watchers like glue for 9 months. I highly recommend Thyroid-S
Lynelle
It seems your problem was with your doctor not the Armour Thyroid you were on. Due to damage to your pituitary using TSH levels to guide your replacement dose is not feasible. T4 and t3 levels and your symptoms should be the guide to finding the best dose, as you discovered on your own. I cannot agree with your advice to use Thyroid-S because of uncertainties of its manufacture and it is never a good idea to self medicate using drugs bought from foreign countries over the internet. Hopefully you will find a more knowledgeable physician who can help you get an appropriate dose of prescription medication such as Armour Thyroid, for your long term therapy.
Dear Max Thirwell
I am also under the guidance of the great Dr Peatfield.Can you tell me how many armour thyroid you take per day?I have been taking two but still feel lethargic and under par.I’d be interested to know because your story is a positive one.
regards Simon.
Hi Simon, I’m now doing VERY well on 4.5 Thyroid-s which is multi dose during the day. I increased gradually and felt improvements with each dose increase. Good luck with your journey. Dr Peatfield is a kind and well informed doctor. Have you been to the Thyroid Patient Advocacy website? They are very helpful. Max
Is 500mg to much meds for a 53 year old. I was on that amount and I felt great. I went to a new GP because the doctor I had retired and later passed on. The new GP said I was taking to much meds for my age. Again that saying ,”If it’s not broken why fix it”. I went along with her recommendation. Soon after I started with alot of problems . Hair loss and thinning hair, dry skin, weight gain, puffness not being able to sleep, high blood sugar , high cholestrol, high triglycerides, brain fog, slow speech, the works. Everything and anything that could go wrong was . Now I refuse to take meds for high cholestrol and BP. The only one I did accept was Metformin just because I want to get well and feel better. The GP was amazed to know that I was well informed of my condition as other patients are not . It is my body and I should be able to understand what is going on with it. To have control of it not the GP. I understand I am not a medical doctor. But I see them as mechanics and we are the owners of the automobile. They really don’t know how you feel from within until you let them know the symptoms you are experiencing. I would like to know from someone that is knowledgeable if I could still take 500mg instead of the 120mg that I am on now? Your response will be appreciated. Thank you.
I assume the 500 mg you refer to is the Armour Thyroid dose (the metformin you are taking also comes in 500 mg dose).
I like to remind my patients that 2 aspirins can help relieve a headache but that a handful of aspirin can put you in the hospital. What I mean is that any medicine in a correct amount can be beneficial but excess amounts do more harm then good.
You are wondering whether 500 mg of Armour is too much for you, as your doctor mentioned. In my experience most people are taking anywhere between 60 mg to 180 mg daily of Armour to achieve good results. Could there be a condition that would require you take 500 mg? There is something called “thyroid hormone resistance” which is a rare genetic disorder causing the body to be insensitive to thyroid hormone. This is sometimes called Refetoff Syndrome. I have seen this maybe 2 times in 30 years. These people need very high levels of thyroid hormone for their body to function normally.
I suggest you consult with an endocrinologist to see what they say about your thyroid hormone requirements. For the average person 500 mg seems like a lot but not if you have a rare genetic disorder like Refetoff.
(my comments are for educational purposes only and do not substitute for the advice and treatment of your own physician.)
Where can I order the Thyroid-S Can someone e-mail me w/ a source which is dependable and safe.
Thanks in advance
I am having a difficult time finding a pharmacy for Thyroid-S. Could someone email me a Website.
Thanks
Anyone wonting more info on the thyroid then go to-
tpa-uk.org.uk or stopthethyroidmaddness.com and
their are others that will help you understand the thyroid and adrenals
another good site is drlowe.com -thyroidsience.
Well Dr. Gary, I’d say patients have been empowered and you’re outnumbered here. We know the U.S. has the 37th best healthcare.
I had been on Synthroid for 5 years, until I started having the worst cold flashes. I changed to 30 grains of Armour which worked great until there was a world-wide shortage and they re-formulated the fillers in the pill. Womens International Pharmacy created a capsule for me based in olive oil to the exact dessicated porcine thyroid that I need and they would mail it to me. The pharmacists are very helpful there.
That said, I have a doctor who wants me on pharmaceuticals and refused to fill my prescription. I ordered Thyroid-S over the internet which is the generic of Armour. It has worked better than any of them! My hair stopped falling out, I have more energy, but in what I’ve read, one should take it after eating and not take it after eating grain or soy products. Taking it twice a day in half doses is better as well.
Can someone say how long Thyroid S from Thailand lasts if placed in the freezer? I can’t believe the great prices, but worried about getting 500 pills at once. I too was on fake thyroid for 20 or so years and felt AWFUL. My body temp hovered between 96 and 97.8, and only reached 98.6 ONCE a day – around 9 p.m. I had severe fibro, fatigue, inability to exercise, a sleep disorder, not much hair or eyebrows. I take enough Armour to suppress TSH to zero, and that is the ONLY PLACE I feel normal! If I let my dosage fall below 2.5 grains, I start feeling awful and I gain 1 full pound a day eating exactly the same diet. The photos taken of me on TSH-measured fake meds and on too little Armour are very dramatic compared to how I look now. It actually causes me physical pain when I talk to some poor soul who is on fake thyroid and can’t get their doctor to listen to the information I provide to them.
I realize the initial post was made quit some time ago, but incase someone else pops in for research I’d also like to comment.
Every since I was a youngster growing up in the midwest, the family DR was always concerned about my Thyroid, as it always felt somewhat swollen to him. He would test my levels and they would always be “within range”.
I was an involved kid – played softball, volleyball, swimming, playing, bike rides, worked farms during the summer, had part time jobs involving lots of walking and climbing stairs. I also had a fairly low sugar/bland diet (incl very little salt). Yet, I was a fat kid. I never could run as I would tire out way too fast.
I’ve struggled with depression, fatigue, “throat” problems, weight problems, etc etc almost my entire life! I really believe that the GP really wanted to help, but all the tests would come back ‘normal’. Now add in an “adult” diet of fast food, frozen foods, preservatives, high-fructose corn syrup, chemically treated livestock, etc etc and up goes everything – weight, bp, depression, hair loss, etc etc. In my mid 30′s I was so anemic that I had to have 2 blood transfussions within a year before switching me to iron injections. Also, to offset depression I had been off and on again with anti-depressants.
Fast forward to new GP in new area, gave history, he did tests and determined I was ‘borderlline hypo’. I asked for Armour (not knowing it was reformulated) as I have strived to follow a healthier lifestyle. GP put me on Synthroid/generic. I wasnt too impressed since I knew it was T4 specific, but I was desperate to feel better. Within a week my hair was falling out (again), headaches, sore throat and I felt WORSE.
I tried a test of my own and had my hubby give a bovine thyroid treatment from the healthfood store, the Synthroid, iodoral, and a placebo. Of course these were spread out over several months to allow for detox time. The placebo did better than Synthroid but not as well as the bovine thyroid. The Iodoral ranked better than all of them – but it’s still a struggle.
I tried to tell my GP, and although he appeared to be listening he also had a bit of ‘I’m the Dr and have the medical training’ attitude. So, I am hesitant to even bother looking for another since my experience over the years have been pretty much the same attitude.
I have ordered from the Thialand supplier. Like so many others, I have opted to risk the non-FDA approved treatment because my call for help has gone unheard for far too many years. The FDA initially started out to improve quality and conditions and to protect us from the snake-oil salesmen, but over the years it has compromised itself. Pharm companies spend a lot of money in research, perks to those who promote their latest ‘miracle drug’ often backed up by skewed reports, etc etc. And now the FDA and Govt want the “natural med Drs’ regulated, removing their ability to write prescriptions for non-FDA vitamin/supplements/therapies, etc. including IV vitamin therapies.
Just who is the ‘snake oil salesmen’ ?
Overall the US is a good place to live, but we are not always superior to other countries when it comes to health issues.
Hi All, I live in Thailand and I have many hypo symptoms, but just learning about it now. Hard to believe all the trouble to get this medication. I will see what I can buy at the local pharmacy.
I am in Thailand and taking Thyroid S. And believe me, it is so difficult to get it even I am Thai.
I try so hard to get it. And it is a lot better than levothyroxine.
If you are in Thailand, you can get it at CDS( central drug store) 66-27127157
Locate at Central Plaza, Chidlom, 1st floor. Good luck
Yes I agree, I cannot find it in any of the local pharmacies. And even worse, the local pharmacies are not able to special order it for me. By the way, thanks for the info, I called the number 66-27127157 you provided, and it is not a valid number.
Hi all,
Like many of you I suffered for years. I diagnosed myself a long time ago but it was years after that until I found a doc willing to let me try dessicated thyroid meds. Everytime I was tested before that they told me well you are in the low end of the normal range but you’re still normal. “It’s probably just the birth control pills your on….try this diet____…..even’when was the last time you ate McDonalds?’” Seriously some docs just dont get it. After starting on Armour at 1 grain a day I was eventually raised to 2. The weight gain stopped and some more symptoms cleared but I still wasn’t 100%. Doc refused to raise it. Grrrr. So then I ended up moving to the Midlle East for work and brought what Armour I could with me. It ran out and was forced to take Levothyroxine because dessicated thyroid isn’t available any where in the Middle East. Probably because it’s most often made from pig thyroid. Hmmmm. Ok so I’m in the Middle East, can’t find Armour or anything like it, on Levothyroxine for 8 months, high blood sugar, high cholesterol, feel like crap, and have put on 15Kg. Now what? I took matters into my own hands. I ordered Thyroid-S after much research from medipharmica. It got here just fine. I ditched the leveothyroxine. I started back on a couple grains and slowly upped it. I found myself an amazing doc in Amsterdam who runs my labs for me as needed via sending samples by FedEx. Once a year I go check in with him for a physical exam and do any more labs that are needed. Dr. Dirk VanLith is awesome!!! I’m now on 8 grains. Yes, that much can be normal. My TSH is now suppressed. I am actually losing weight now while eating NORMAL. My blood sugar and cholesterol are normal and many syptoms are gone. Some remain from years of no treatment like arthritis in my 20′s people. As my weight comes back down my Doc and I have planned to decrease my med amount. It will have to be done slowly to make sure I dont relapse and start gaining, but the basic idea is as I’m getting smaller eventually I’ll start to feel hyper, then it’s time to go down a bit, then repeat. If you look at the stopthyroidmadness site they have all the dessicated thyroid pill ingredients listed. Thyroid-S is just like Armour only more like the old formula. If you are stuck on chemical meds and thinking about switching…DO IT! Don’t wait. I speak from experience having been forced to go from natural to synthetic and back again. Any dessicated thyroid med including Thyroid-S is better then the chemical make you wanna die Levo, Sunthroid crap. I hope this helps someone out there understand the situation better. Take care. Carpe Diem-Nina
FYI, Thyroid-S and Thiroyd are available on Amazon in small packs and without a prescription. I have ordered but not received it yet. Customer service seems quite good.
In response to Martin’s post, I have ordered Thyroid-s and Thiroyd in the small packs via Amazon and had a wonderful experience. The seller is incredibly proactive in his communication and the NDT arrived well-packaged in discreet packaging. My only gripe is that they only sell it in small quantities, so I probably will look for it elsewhere next time.
In regard to the efficacy of Thyroid-S, I am incredibly pleased with it! For some reason, my body responds really well to it, and it feels so much cleaner and smoother to me than the other thyroid therapies I have tried. The energy doesn’t hit me all at once to the point that I feel over-caffeinated like I have felt on other meds, instead it is just a nice slow, steady energy. Overall, I am incredibly pleased, and at first I, too, was worried that it might not be as reputable, but not anymore. I have tried Synthroid (of course, boooo ), Erfa, Acella, Compounded from a local pharmacy, Thiroyd, and Thyroid-s. So far, Thyroid-s is what my body responds best to.
Re the good doctors comments, I’m sorry but you don’t have any credibility with me. You may be a caring person but the industry that you work in is not. It is all about the money. All it cares about is the money and medications that are lamentable and what makes the most money. Everything is controlled by big pharmacy and its profits. The doctors just work for them and are brainwashed and only do as they are told. They can’t do clinical medicine and can’t think their way out of a paper bag or won’t for fear of losing their high paying cushy jobs. Ones that are different than that are rare to come by and not everyone can afford them. So you do what you have to do and you go the route where you at least have a chance. I don’t buy all the fear tactics about foreign drugs anyway as I had grandparents that lived near the border of Mexico and they went across the border and got their meds over the counter for decades. They are now in their nineties and doing fine. I think in the states we should be able to buy meds that way but the powers that be have to much to gain by keeping it as it is. To me, having you tell me how dangerous it is to get meds outside of the pharmaceutical industrial complex controlled drug dealer system which is the united states medical industry is a joke. Having everyone believe that you or your colleagues are the only safe source of medicines or of medical treatment serves your interests because if people could go elsewhere your business would suffer. You personally may care about people and warn them out of concern, but I don’t believe that this is true or that the industry that you are a pawn of believes it is true. They just need you good hearted duped that they can brainwash to believe this stuff so you can brainwash the public to ensure their profits.
I to cannot take synthyroid. I was on it for years and was never right. I order Efra from canada and feel much better on it. You have to take more of the efra than old armour. The dose is lower on the efra God bless, Diane